X PatronGerald Cavendish GrosvenorDuke of Westminster, KG, CB, OBE, TD, DLOur ref: JT67/2012Ernest and Charles W. TUDORDear Marianne,Thank you for your nicely worded request forinformation concerning Ernest and of course we nowknow that Ernest had an older brother who alsoserved with the Cheshire Constabulary. First Ihave to point out a few things. Sadly we do nothave a photograph of either, that is to say wemay, there are literally hundreds of photographsof officers, but their names were never recordedon the reverse of the photograph so from theMuseums perspective they remain unidentifiable. Ifyou have a photograph and you would like to shareit a scanned copy would be wonderful or for thatmatter any other information you may have thatcould be added to their file.The Cheshire Constabulary was formed in April1857; there are many thousands of records, theseare held by the Cheshire Record Office, Chester.As a retired Police officer and voluntary PoliceMuseum Researcher I am slowly extracting theserecords. Cheshire Police Officer Enrolment Recordsare held under Reference CJP7 Volumes 1-5. Thesefive volumes are very large and in poor condition,run from 1857- 22 March 1930; the information youseek on both is held in Volume 5. The informationregarding their marriage is retained in CJP24/2,1847-1966. And with regard to their pensionCJP20/2/1, 1857-1965.Further, there are 33 Volumes each containingapproximately 400 pages of General Orders, theseare basically the everyday events of the CheshireConstabulary and date from April 1857 to 1946,they are also normally held at the Record Officein Chester under reference CJP4, however they arepresently held by the Museum. Each Volume ishandwritten and although they can be scanned theycannot be searched to extract the information asthe character recognition software just does notrecognise handwriting. They are therefore beingtranscribed into a searchable word document, whichis a very long and slow process, only the yearsfrom 1857 to 1884 are complete, however I havechecked through from both their joining datesuntil their retirements and any informationbetween these years will appear within yourreport.I say all this because I want to try and reassureyou that what I give you is as it appears in therespective volumes. However if you so wish, youcan of course have the records confirmed by theChester Records Office Archivist. But it would beremiss of me if I did not point out that TheRecord Office will charge you a minimum of £27 persearch per volume; therefore your bill should youwish to have all the above mentioned Volumessearched would amount to several hundreds ofpounds, so please be aware. The cost of yourreport is £15 in total for both Ernest andCharles's information, and given the aboveinformation I feel certain that you will agreethat this represents value for money.The Museum is within the confines of WarringtonPolice Station which is an operational stationtherefore visits to the Museum are by appointmentonly, normally on Mondays and Fridays. If youwould like to visit please forward a quick mail acouple of weeks before and I feel certain theCurator Mr. Peter Wroe and Staff will doeverything possible to accommodate you.Payment can be made by going to the Museum websitewww.museumofpolicingincheshire.org.uk within thedrop down 'Index' is the section marked 'FamilyResearch' there it will be seen 'Pay-Pal orDebit/Credit Card' click on this and follow theinstructions, when payment is received by theMuseum Pay-Pal will automatically let the Museumknow. If you prefer to pay by cheque please makeit payable to the 'Museum of Policing in Cheshire'and send it to the Curator, Mr. Peter Wroe, Museumof Policing, County Police Office, Arpley Street,Warrington, Cheshire CW1 1LQ, if you pay in thismanner will you kindly let me know.If you also read the history of the CheshireConstabulary by going to the web site, INDEX dropdown menu, HISTORY and look for "To the Best ofOur Skill and Knowledge" I feel certain that auseful picture can be obtained of life in theforce at the time, my own opinion is thatdiscipline was draconian and those who strayedoutside the rules were fined way above what theyearned or dismissed. Also the restrictions ontheir private life, an officer was not allowed todrink on or off duty even in his own home. It allcomes down to the fact that up until the 1960'severy Chief Constable of Cheshire was anex-military officer and they of course broughtwith them the military codes of practice.I trust you will enjoy what follows and can I askyou when you get a moment would you send a quickmail so I can mark of your enquiry as complete,this is important as whilst we are not funded bythe Cheshire Constabulary, they are still our'masters' so to speak and I have to account forthe information I send out. If you have anycomments good or bad and you wish to make themplease do so?If you have any further questions please don'thesitate to contact me.Jim TalbotTrustee and Researcher, Cheshire Museum ofPolicing.Collar Number/Rank. PC261 Ernest TUDORBorn. 1885 Dunham Hill, Cheshire. (Baptism entrygives Baptised 26th July 1885).Date of Entry. 23rd November 1907.Date of Leaving. 17th May 1924.Re-appointed. Not applicable.Final Date of Leaving. 17th May 1924.How Discharged. To pensionInitial Posting. HQ Reserve Division, Chester.Other Postings and Dates. 16th February 1908Hoylake, 8th December 1912 Great Boughton, 10thOctober 1915 Threapwood, 25th November 1917Hunterson, 24th August 1919 Nantwich, 5th August1923 Stockton Heath.Miscellaneous Information. Previous OccupationLabourer. Religion Protestant, Height 6' 2", Age22 years 5 months, Eyes Grey, Hair Sandy,Complexion Fresh, Build Proportional.Distinguishing marks scar left wrist. 16th May1925 Certificate of Service with Character marked"Good" sent to him.1891 Census Railway Cottages, Helsby, Cheshire.1901 Census Poplar Grove, Helsby. 1911 Census 22Shaw Street, Hoylake, Wirral.Wife Ellen Tudor died 24th March 1958 atWarrington.Age on retirement 38 years 11 months.Total service. 16 years 177 days.Died. 8th March 1947 Grappenhall, Nr. Crewe.The Generations NetworkPromotion. Not promoted.Misconduct. 12th October 1912 being absent fromConference Point and making a false statement tohis Sgt about the matter at Hoylake, Fined 2/6dand severely reprimanded by Chief Constable.19th June 1915 Not parading off duty at 5pm andbeing found gossiping on Licensed Premises, theRed House, Gt. Boughton at 6.35pm, Fined 10/- andseverely reprimanded by Chief Constable.24th April 1923 Neglect of duty in not working hisbeat in accordance with Orders and omitting toattend Conference Point "Weardall" Nantwich at 5amFined 10/- and severely reprimanded by ChiefConstable.Weekly Pay. 23rd November 1907 25/1d, 1st December1908 26/3d, 23rd November 1909 26/10d, 23rdNovember 1910 28/-, 1st April 1912 30/4d, 23rdNovember 1912 31/6d. 23rd November 1914 32/8d, 1stJuly 1915 33/10d, 23rd November 1917 35/-, 30thSeptember 1918 42/7d, 10th November 1918 51/-, 1stApril 1919 90/-.Retired on annual pension of £75.2s.8d per annum.Awards/Good Conduct/Other information. Nonerecorded.Marriage Record (See attachment)Officer. Ernest TudorOccupation. Police Constable.Age. 22 years.Condition. Bachelor.Place of residence at Marriage. Hoylake.Date of Marriage. 10th March 1908Place Married. Parish Church, Helsby.Fathers Name. Thomas TudorFathers Occupation. Signalman.Spouse. Ellen AbbottOccupation. None recorded.Age. 25 years.Condition. Spinster.Area of residence. Hoylake.Fathers Name. John Abbott.Fathers Occupation. Fitter.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Collar Number/Rank. Sergeant 112 Charles WilfredTUDOR.Born. 1880 Dunham Hill, Cheshire. (Baptism entrygives Baptised 26th December 1880)Date of Entry. 19th November 1901.Date of Leaving. 4th January 1902. Resigned.Re-appointed. 4th November 1905.Final Date of Leaving. 30th September 1931.How Discharged. To pension.Initial Posting. HQ Reserve Division, Chester.Other Postings and Dates. 21st December 1901Crewe, 4th November 1905 HQ, Chester. 18thNovember 1905 Crewe, 2nd August 1908 Willaston,1st March 1909 Nantwich, 25th May 1913 Oakmere,25th May 1919 Hazel Grove.Miscellaneous Information. Previous OccupationLabourer. Religion Protestant, Height 5' 11", Age20, Eyes Hazel, Hair Light Brown, ComplexionFresh, Build Proportional. Scar on left shoulder.1891 and 1901 Census shows resident as per Ernest.1911 Unable to trace on 1911 Census.Age on retirement. 47 years.Total service. 26 years 71 days.Died. 25th January 1946 Stockport, Cheshire.The Generations NetworkPromotion. 6th October 1913promoted Acting Sergeant. 1st July 1919 promotedSergeant.Misconduct. No Misconduct reports recorded.Weekly Pay. 9th November 1901 25/1d, 4th November1905 25/1d, 1st December 1906 26/3d, 30thSeptember 1907 26/10d, 30th September 1908 28/-,8th September 1910 29/2d, 1st April 1912 31/6d,8th September 1912 32/8d, 1st July 1915 33/10d,8th September 1915 35/-, 8th September 1917 36/2d,30th September 1918 44/4d, 10th November 191851/-, 1st July 1919 Sgt at 56/-, 1st April 191990/-, 1st July 1919 100/-, 1st July 1920 102/6d,1st July 1921 105/-, 1st July 1922 107/6d, 1stJuly 1923 110/-, 1st July 1924 112/6d.Retired on annual pension of. £195.13s.4d.Awards/Good Conduct/Other information. 13thDecember 1921. Examination taken for promotion tothe rank of Inspector. Passed.Marriage Record (see attachment)Officer. Charles Wilfred TudorOccupation. Police Constable.Age. 22 years.Condition. Bachelor.Place of residence at Marriage. Mickle Trafford.Cheshire.Date of Marriage. 13th April 1903Place Married. St. Peter, Plemstall.Fathers Name. Thomas Tudor.Fathers Occupation. SignalmanSpouse. Mary Louisa Colley.Occupation. None recorded.Age. 26 years.Condition. Spinster.Area of residence. Mickle Trafford, Cheshire.Fathers Name. John Colley.Fathers Occupation. Cordwainer.Museum of Policing in Cheshire,Warrington Police Station, Arpley Street,Warrington. WA1 1LQTel : 01606 36 3848/5803www.museumofpolicingincheshire.org.uk/