X Robert Salmon TURNOCKDear Gillian, (if I may be so bold)Thank you for your nicely worded request forinformation concerning Robert you would besurprised how many enquires we get from people whonever say please or thank you, but first I have topoint out a few things. Sadly we were unable toreply to your initial enquiry in May as it did notcontain any address to reply to. Sadly we do nothave a photograph of Robert, that is to say wemay, there are literally hundreds of photographsof officers, but their names were never recordedon the reverse of the photograph, however I willdiscuss this a little later.The Cheshire Constabulary was formed in April1857; there are many thousands of records, theseare held by the Cheshire Record Office, Chester. Ias a retired Police officer and voluntary PoliceMuseum Researcher am slowly extracting theserecords. Cheshire Police Officer Enrolment Recordsare held under Reference CJP7 Volumes 1-5. Thesefive volumes are very large and in poor condition,run from 1857- 22 March 1913; the informationwhich you seek would therefore be recorded inVolume 4. The information regarding his marriageis retained in CJP24/2, 1847-1966. And with regardto his pension CJP20/2/1, 1857-1965.I say all this because I want to try and reassureyou that what I give you is as it appears in therespective volumes. However if you so wish, youcan of course have the records confirmed by theChester Records Office Archivist. But it would beremiss of me if I did not point out that TheRecord Office will charge you a minimum of £27 persearch per volume; therefore your total bill wouldbe a minimum of £81, so please be aware. TheMuseum charges, for searching the three volumesare on a reducing scale i.e. dependant on theinformation recorded, the maximum amount payableis £10, which represents good value. Yourremittance should be £10 however, if you send acopy of Roberts photograph and details of hismedals including the bars we will gladly wave the£10. If you have a friend who has a computer andit is convenient the photograph and the medalinformation can be sent via email to the Museumthe site address being at the top of the page,failing this if you would kindly send it to TheTrustee, Mr. J. Talbot. The Museum of Policing inCheshire, c/o 20 Llandovery Close, Winsford,Cheshire.Again if you have access to a friend's computerand if you read the history of the CheshireConstabulary "To the Best of Our Skill andKnowledge" which is on the Museum Web Site, I feelcertain that a useful picture can be obtained oflife in the force at the time, my own opinion isthat discipline was draconian and those whostrayed outside the rule's were fined way abovewhat they earned or dismissed. Also therestrictions on their private life, an officer wasnot allowed to drink on or off duty even in hisown home. It all comes down to the fact that upuntil the 1960's every Chief Constable of Cheshirewas an ex military officer and they of coursebrought with them the military codes of practice.Collar Number/Rank. PC 165 and 100 Robert SalmonTURNOCK (He had been allocated two differentnumbers because of his break in service)Born. 3rd Quarter (Jul-Aug-Sep) 1873 District ofNantwich, his record stating 1873 Wybunbury,Checkley Wood, Cheshire.Date of Entry. 14th December 1895Date of Leaving. 30th December 1899 to return toMilitary Duty.Return to Police. 16th August 1902Final Date of Leaving. 18th May 1929How Discharged. To pension.Initial Posting. HQ Reserve.Other Postings and Dates. 15th February 1896 Hyde,1st April 1899 Middlewich, 30th December 1899Rejoined Regiment for service in South Africa.16th August 1902 Rejoined Constabulary. 31stAugust 1902 Altrincham, 7th February 1903 Toft,2nd August 1908 Over, Winsford. 1st June 1912Winnington (Northwich).Miscellaneous Information. Previous OccupationFarmer. Prior undated service of 3 years and afurther 2 years 214 days with 3rd Battalion, TheGrenadier Guards. Religion Protestant, Height 5'8", Age 22, Eyes Grey, Hair Brown, ComplexionFresh, Build Proportional.Age on retirement 56 years 11 months. Totalservice 33 years 156 days.Died 20th January 1930 at Winsford aged 57 years 7months.Promotion/Misconduct. 16th September 1896 Beingunder the influence of drink when on duty at Hydeat 1.35am, Fined 15/-.Pay. 14th December 1895 25/1d, 1st January 189726/3d, 1st January 1898 26/10d, 1st January 189928/-. 16th August 1902 28/-, 1st November 190229/2d, 1st January 1903 30/4d, 1st January 190831/6d, 1st April 1912 33/3d, 24th May 1914 34/5d.1st July 1915 38/6d, 14th December 1915 39/8d,30th September 1918 45/6d, 10th November 191854/2d, 1st April 1919 95/-.Annual pension £165. 4s. 7d which included servicewith Regiment in South Africa.Total time on pension 248 days. Total pensionreceived £112. 5s. 3d.Awards/Good Conduct/Other information. 24th April1914 Long and Meritorious Service, Merit Badge and2d per day additional pay.Additional Information. I note that only Ada, hiswife is shown on the 1901 Census resident with herparents at 15 Railway Street, Hyde, this isbasically because Robert was away in South Africa.I also note that you say Robert was resident inSwanlow Lane Winsford on the 1911 Census, which Ido not have access to. I in fact reside inWinsford about half a mile from Swanlow Lane, I amassuming the house in which he was resident isstill standing for very few have been demolishedsince they were built anywhere from 1880 onwards.Also the Police Station in Winsford in which hewould have walked in and out of is still standing,but with many additional features from when it wasfirst built. However I have a photograph of theStation in its original state, again if you have afriend or family that has a computer if you let meknow the number of the house in Swanlow Lane Icould take a photograph and also send you a copyof the Police Station photographMarriage RecordOfficer. Robert TURNOCKOccupation. Constable 165Age. 25 years.Condition. Bachelor.Place of residence at Marriage. 21 Nelson Street,Hyde, Cheshire.Date of Marriage. 28th September 1898Place Married. Zion Chapel, Hyde.Fathers Name. William Turnock Deceased.Fathers Occupation. Farmer.Spouse. Ada RedfernOccupation. Cotton Operative.Age. 25 years.Condition. Spinster.Place of residence. 21 Nelson Street, Hyde.Fathers Name. James RedfernFathers Occupation. Hat Body Maker.If you have any further questions please don'thesitate to contact me. Jim Talbot. Trustee andResearcher, Cheshire Museum of Policing.Our Ref: JT26/2009 No2You're Ref:Date: 9th August 2009Museum of Policing In Cheshirehttp://www.museumofpolicingincheshire.org.ukRobert TURNOCKDear Gill,First off I want to say a very big thank you fortaking the time and going to the expense that youhave done in supplying the photographs, and ofcourse the cheque, it truly is very muchappreciated.It is just a pity that we don't have a photographof Robert because I have an idea that I will putto the next Museum Committee, I am alsoresponsible for making all the medal displayswithin the Museum and we do have some wonderfulmedals including an Albert Medal awarded to one ofour former Chief Constables. So I am going to putit to the Committee that we buy a replica set ofmedals/bars awarded to Robert together with a capbadge and his police record all within a frame anddisplay it., if we had a photo that would havebeen the icing on the cake, in particular like theone of the Hyde officer, which is also pity wedon't have his name either. But if you haveanything written down about Robert and the placeswhere he received the bars I would appreciate itand I could use this in his write up.I have a feeling that the photograph of the man isin fact a Cheshire Police Officer basicallybecause at the time he would be serving in SouthAfrica the Hyde Borough Police was only just beingformed in 1899, and many of the Cheshire PoliceOfficers who were stationed within that Divisionwhen it was part of Cheshire did in fact continuetheir service with Hyde Borough Police when it wasformed, but sadly Hyde Borough Police records arenonexistent. I am able to search our database forthose officers that did serve in South Africa butHyde was one of the biggest Divisions in theCounty and the officer could have served withinany of the 11 Sub Divisions of Hyde.Today Saturday I have spoken with the Curator ofthe Museum and he has authorised me to purchasethe two replica medals that Robert was awarded, Ihave just researched them on the net and they arethere with the exact same bars for £27, which isreally good news. So when I have completed thepresentation I will photograph it and forward youa copy. I have added a photograph of the sort ofpresentation I do to and that hangs in the Museum(6).Down to the photographs, sadly Hyde Police Stationis one of the Police Stations we don't have aphotograph of. Photograph (1) is Winsford PoliceStation where Robert would have walked in and outof daily, when facing the photograph the left sideof the building was the Station the right handside was the Stations Sergeants home. Although thestation still stands it has had numerousextensions and has recently been turned into 6flats.I have been out this morning with my digitalcamera hoping to find number 26 Swanlow Lane,sadly it has well and truly disappeared, thehouses now start at number 30, which is reallyfrustrating. So I visited the home a localhistorian who has written a number of books onWinsford Town. He related that number 26 was infact one of two cottages more or less in front ofthe local Congregational Church, and the producedtwo pictures more or less the same, showing thecottages saying that the properties weredemolished in the 1960's. Truly from looking atthose pictures and others the area has changedbeyond all recognition. I in fact did not arrivein Winsford until I came out of the Army in 1975,and then joined the Police and Winsford being myvery 1st Police posting as a uniform officer.Photographs (4) and (5) again show pictures ofAltrincham and Middlewich Stations again wereRobert served. It truly is a pity you don't have acomputer/internet there are some wonderfulpictures of Winsford on there. But I also have toapologise for the photographs these have beentaken from various sources including digitalpictures but no original photographs, in otherwords we have received them as copies of copies ofcopies and on and on, so we could not reproducethem on photographic paper but I have laminatedthem and I don't think they look to bad.Sincere best wishesJim Talbot.